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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AbbaGav, Thanks for visting. You killed me with the blogging software polarizing filters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AbbaGav, Thanks for visting. You killed me with the blogging software polarizing filters.</p>
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		<title>By: AbbaGav</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>AbbaGav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very rational opinion, I&#039;m surprised the blogging software polarizing filters let this post through.

But seriously, where are the cat pictures?  (just kidding).  Very nice looking blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very rational opinion, I&#8217;m surprised the blogging software polarizing filters let this post through.</p>
<p>But seriously, where are the cat pictures?  (just kidding).  Very nice looking blog.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pleasure. Yours is one of my favorites. I suspect you&#039;re right that there&#039;s more to come on this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure. Yours is one of my favorites. I suspect you&#8217;re right that there&#8217;s more to come on this too.</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Jeffery Hodges</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Horace Jeffery Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, thanks for the links to my blog. I took a break from the cartoon crisis today, but I don&#039;t see this issue dying down quite yet, so I&#039;ll doubtless get back onto it.

Jeffery Hodges

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, thanks for the links to my blog. I took a break from the cartoon crisis today, but I don&#8217;t see this issue dying down quite yet, so I&#8217;ll doubtless get back onto it.</p>
<p>Jeffery Hodges</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica, It certainly is appalling (the violence) and further proof of the power of words and images.

Scottage, I&#039;ll try to write more on this at some point, but in the meantime, your stuff really is good.

Daniel, Thanks for visting. I found my way to your blog by way of Jessica&#039;s.

Lauren, Thanks also for visting. I&#039;ll try to address your comment in order.

1) Yes about Muhammed (but Nation of Islam (proper noun) is a separate entity based in the US that many Muslims regard as heretical.) and despite six years of focused denial, I must agree that, yes Bush is the leader, well, the president of the US.

2) Agreed.

3) Yes, many people are offended by any questioning or ridicule of the president as I so callously did in #1.

4) This is very broad. Some cartoons are going to be more offensive than others regardless of who is being depicted. Satirical cartoons will affect different people in different ways and have different contexts, so one shouldn&#039;t say that cartoons about Muhammed and about Bush are equally offensive. A cartoon with either man as the subject could easily be far more or less offensive than the other, and thin-skinned people will be more offended than thick-skinned people whether they be Muslims or Bush supporters.

Good question here about crossing the line; it&#039;s one I&#039;ve thought about a lot, and the answer (for me and me alone) is that it crosses the line when the purpose is &lt;em&gt;solely&lt;/em&gt; to offend. Unless there is a larger point being made it isn&#039;t really satire anymore. It&#039;s just a cheap attempt to get a reaction, rather than contributing to any kind of discussion.

Having said that, I am one who is going to value free speech far above someone&#039;s right not to be offended. People will always be offended in a free society and most of us just get used to it and learn to laugh at ourselves a little. The bottom line for those who are offended easily is that they don&#039;t have to look at or read cartoons (or anything else) that they find offensive.

On the last point, I&#039;m not sure that because a satirical image faithfully adheres to a stereotype we should somehow say that people shouldn&#039;t be upset.

I do wish, though, we were seeing demonstrations in which offended moderates were protesting the actions of the radical Islamists who seem bent on perpetuating these stereotypes through their actions.

Thanks for your comment and for dropping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, It certainly is appalling (the violence) and further proof of the power of words and images.</p>
<p>Scottage, I&#8217;ll try to write more on this at some point, but in the meantime, your stuff really is good.</p>
<p>Daniel, Thanks for visting. I found my way to your blog by way of Jessica&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Lauren, Thanks also for visting. I&#8217;ll try to address your comment in order.</p>
<p>1) Yes about Muhammed (but Nation of Islam (proper noun) is a separate entity based in the US that many Muslims regard as heretical.) and despite six years of focused denial, I must agree that, yes Bush is the leader, well, the president of the US.</p>
<p>2) Agreed.</p>
<p>3) Yes, many people are offended by any questioning or ridicule of the president as I so callously did in #1.</p>
<p>4) This is very broad. Some cartoons are going to be more offensive than others regardless of who is being depicted. Satirical cartoons will affect different people in different ways and have different contexts, so one shouldn&#8217;t say that cartoons about Muhammed and about Bush are equally offensive. A cartoon with either man as the subject could easily be far more or less offensive than the other, and thin-skinned people will be more offended than thick-skinned people whether they be Muslims or Bush supporters.</p>
<p>Good question here about crossing the line; it&#8217;s one I&#8217;ve thought about a lot, and the answer (for me and me alone) is that it crosses the line when the purpose is <em>solely</em> to offend. Unless there is a larger point being made it isn&#8217;t really satire anymore. It&#8217;s just a cheap attempt to get a reaction, rather than contributing to any kind of discussion.</p>
<p>Having said that, I am one who is going to value free speech far above someone&#8217;s right not to be offended. People will always be offended in a free society and most of us just get used to it and learn to laugh at ourselves a little. The bottom line for those who are offended easily is that they don&#8217;t have to look at or read cartoons (or anything else) that they find offensive.</p>
<p>On the last point, I&#8217;m not sure that because a satirical image faithfully adheres to a stereotype we should somehow say that people shouldn&#8217;t be upset.</p>
<p>I do wish, though, we were seeing demonstrations in which offended moderates were protesting the actions of the radical Islamists who seem bent on perpetuating these stereotypes through their actions.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and for dropping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica brings up a good point. But for the sake of playing devil&#039;s advocate:

1) Muhammed is the spiritual leader of the Nation of Islam. President Bush is the leader of America.

2) Political cartoonists poke fun at President Bush every day.

3) Therefore, is it fair to argue that political cartoons depicting President Bush as &quot;King George&quot; or a greedy American totalitarian can also be determined as offensive to American citizens?

4) And therefore, is it then fair to argue that politcal cartoons about Muhammed, and political cartoons about Prez. Bush, are equally offensive and inappropriate?

At what point does a political cartoon whose aim is to be provocative and that pokes fun at something cross the line from being something we can laugh off, and something that is hurtful and demeaning?

Because lets face it: Yes, depicting Mohammed as a bomb-toting terrorist was insensitive - but accurate in terms of the stereotype that has been propagated by the actions of a few extremists. Just as not every Muslim favors violence, not every American favors war and taking over the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica brings up a good point. But for the sake of playing devil&#8217;s advocate:</p>
<p>1) Muhammed is the spiritual leader of the Nation of Islam. President Bush is the leader of America.</p>
<p>2) Political cartoonists poke fun at President Bush every day.</p>
<p>3) Therefore, is it fair to argue that political cartoons depicting President Bush as &#8220;King George&#8221; or a greedy American totalitarian can also be determined as offensive to American citizens?</p>
<p>4) And therefore, is it then fair to argue that politcal cartoons about Muhammed, and political cartoons about Prez. Bush, are equally offensive and inappropriate?</p>
<p>At what point does a political cartoon whose aim is to be provocative and that pokes fun at something cross the line from being something we can laugh off, and something that is hurtful and demeaning?</p>
<p>Because lets face it: Yes, depicting Mohammed as a bomb-toting terrorist was insensitive &#8211; but accurate in terms of the stereotype that has been propagated by the actions of a few extremists. Just as not every Muslim favors violence, not every American favors war and taking over the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, thanks for stopping by over at mine, how did you stumble if you don&#039;t me asking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, thanks for stopping by over at mine, how did you stumble if you don&#8217;t me asking?</p>
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		<title>By: Scottage</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say thanks for the referral, James.  I like to think I&#039;m helping raise some understanding of the issue, and it&#039;s very gratifying to know that, at the least, it helped you.  I would love to hear more on your thoughts on the issue at any time.

--Scottage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say thanks for the referral, James.  I like to think I&#8217;m helping raise some understanding of the issue, and it&#8217;s very gratifying to know that, at the least, it helped you.  I would love to hear more on your thoughts on the issue at any time.</p>
<p>&#8211;Scottage</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://coyotemercury.com/2006/02/09/peace-love-and-understanding/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all want to weigh in on it because it&#039;s so appalling. It&#039;s also a remarkable testament to the power of a pen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all want to weigh in on it because it&#8217;s so appalling. It&#8217;s also a remarkable testament to the power of a pen.</p>
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